Traditionally, there is not a full meeting of Olney Town Council in August, but due to the ongoing issues of antisocial behaviour on the recreation ground, it was decided that this year would be an exception. Apart from the items that are statutory requirement this was the only item on the agenda.
The first person to speak was Peter Huart
Peter explained he gets up at 4am and clears up the rubbish from the rec. If he can make the area clean and tidy it makes everyone feel great, he said, and he relayed some of the favourable comments he had received from grateful residents. One morning he and two others had filled 14 black sacks in the course of an hour, although sometimes it had taken over three hours, he said. He noted that the football stand is regularly used as a public toilet.
Next to speak was Francis Gander
Francis said she was speaking as a resident of the town of 22 years, but also as a resident member of the working group that has been set up as a collaboration between councillors and residents. The concerns, fears and risks of antisocial behaviour, including drug and alcohol abuse, drug dealing, fires, fighting, human excrement and more, are very real, she said. The working group had been working hard to reduce and manage the behaviour of groups of youths, although initially residents believed that the Town Council were not addressing the situation. Sadly, for some, this belief remains, as they don’t understand the council’s mandate and powers, as evidenced by social media comments. Significantly and positively, others had expressed what they had been able to see as a result of the positive changes that the working group had made. She welcomed the mayor’s positive acknowledgement of the work undertaken by the working group in the August edition of Phonebox magazine. However, she believed that information requested by the working group had seemingly been ‘embargoed’, with questions remaining unanswered, which was impacting the effectiveness of the working group and was against the spirit and Terms of Reference (ToR) of the group. Communication within the group was working well, she thought, but communication with and via the Town Council to residents and other organisations was challenging and was something that she hoped could be rectified.
Third to speak was Richard Freeman
Richard is also a member of the working group. Richard also expressed his concerns regarding communication. Residents want clear and regular communication as to what is being done and what the next steps are, he said. Too often the information is either not available, arrives late or is incorrect. When this happens frustration grows, confidence falls and people fill in the gaps themselves. Social media is being used when it suits, but it should be part of the solution to inform residents, said Richard. The reality is that residents are receiving information via social media before they receive it through other channels, good as The Phonebox magazine is, he thought. A multi-agency meeting was repeatedly promised, yet weeks later the response and plans were not in place. The regular problems at the rec and the recent incident on the Market Place were linked, he believed. How many councillors had spent time speaking with the youngsters on the rec and listening to them, he asked? If the members of the council are serious about addressing the issues, they must engage with all parts of the community, including young people, to find out what their concerns are. The working group was doing so, he said. Lastly Richard said he was concerned about comments and allegations made by the working group which now sit in the public domain and risk damaging the reputation and integrity of volunteers and councillors. Residents will judge the success of the working group not on reports or promises, but by whether they are feeling informed and listened to with honest and consistent communication.
Last to speak was Jim Cooper
People want to come to Olney because it is a successful town, Jim said, and visitors come to the rec and riverbank because it is so pleasant with free parking, similar to Wellingborough and Newport Pagnell. He emphasised the importance of reporting any incidents to the police, since Spartan Security Services, employed by the council, has no more powers than any other member of the public.
Dan Rowland and Chris Tennant had sent apologies. There were no declarations of interest.
Colin Rodden requested an amendment to the minutes to include the vote result and subsequent action for the office to arrange a meeting with Spartan Security Services. Town Clerk Jane Brushwood replied that Standing Orders do not require the minutes to be a verbatim record of events, and she did not recall the action in any case. Colin replied that it was documented in the Mercury report in Phonebox, which generated much amusement and simultaneous comments, none of which could be clearly heard, so Mercury doesn’t know if they were favourable or otherwise. Mayor Debbie Whitworth said she would investigate and respond accordingly. The minutes were passed but unusually with votes against and abstentions.
Mayor Debbie Whitworth reported that the latest results for the river water testing were not yet available but would follow in due course. The mayor thanked the working group for their suggestions and the interim report, which the council will carry forward. She then invited PCSO Connor Braddish to provide the police report.
Present at the meeting from Thames Valley Police (TVP) were PC Govier, PC Mulligan, PCSO Connor Braddish, and PCSO Arlene Ormston.
Connor said the working group were doing a fantastic job and TVP are keen to work with them. He referred to a recent email from Milton Keynes City Council (MKCC) explaining the workings of the Alcohol Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) currently in place for Olney and a number of other locations in MK, which will need to be renewed in 2027, subject to sufficient evidence being gathered to support it. Between 1/7/2026 and 2/8/2026, four Antisocial Behaviour (ASB) incidents had been reported, including a large group of youths congregating on the rec, which TVP had attended to facilitate dispersal. There had been reports of drug taking, to which TVP had also attended and continued to do, over that weekend. A vehicle had been reported to be blocking an emergency access, but that had only been for a short duration, he said. Looking at the enforcement proposals from the working group, he noted that there was a request for at least one day a month of intense enforcement to send out the message that the PSPO was not meaningless, but based on four reports that would not be proportionate or feasible, he said. The rec is on the patrol plan for the rural MK officers operating out of Newport Pagnell, but they are very often called to serious crimes elsewhere in the city.
Another proposal from the working group was to update the TVP 101 online and phone reporting systems, which are not seen to be efficient or easy to use. Connor said a test had been carried out on the previous Friday, and the average waiting time was three minutes. With online reports all jobs are triaged and directed to the correct team. Although the working group was suggesting that the stats obtained from the reporting system were not a true reflection of the level of crime taking place, Connor emphasised that additional resources, over and above normal patrolling, will not be made available unless supported by the stats, so reporting by the public is essential.
He said a number of people had asked if the police were keeping an eye on the Olney Noticeboard Facebook group and he wanted to make it very clear that TVP do not police off of the Olney Noticeboard.
Colin Rodden asked about the incident outside the Cherry Tree where a group of 15 youths had gathered, and a knife was pulled. They had previously been moved on from the rec by police and had congregated at another area in the town. An Uber had been called, and all 15 attempted to get in it, he said. When the driver attempted to drive away, the vehicle door was kicked in. Connor said the police had attended and a large operation, including dogs and the drawing of a TASER, had taken place, resulting in four arrests of people from outside of the town.
Sarah Lowe disputed Connor’s assertion that the vehicle blocking an emergency access had only been there for a short time, as she had attempted to report it via TVP 101 but had given up as the system was constantly busy. It was there for over two hours so in the end she called 999. She listed several other reports that she had logged on behalf of herself and other members of the working group, including one particular violent incident late at night in town. She had subsequently visited the rec and spoken to some local young people who had told her that there was a particular gang from MK who cause trouble. They had told her that they were frightened to report incidents for fear of recriminations. Connor said that it is possible to report anonymously.
Sarah said that she had attempted to report the fire risk arising from the use of BBQs in dry conditions on the rec and explained in detail the menu options she had had to navigate, none of which were suitable. Finally, it instructed her to report it to the council. The Fire Service would only respond if there is actually a fire in progress, she said. PCSO Ormston explained that the PSPO only covered alcohol use and the police do not deal with BBQs. PC Govier explained that the police were not empowered to ask people to put out BBQs, which was why it is not an option.
David Chennells asked for clarification of the alcohol aspects on the PSPO. Connor explained that PSPO is not a ban on drinking in public places per se, but gives officers powers to respond to antisocial behaviour linked to alcohol consumption. Two people quietly sharing a bottle of wine with a picnic would not be an issue, but a group of 15 people, each carrying a crate of beer and then throwing each other in the river and causing alarm and distress to others would be. David asked if there is an age limit under which an instant fine could not be issued and Connor replied that underage drinking would be dealt with differently as a safeguarding issue.
Prior to opening up the meeting for a round-table discussion, the Mayor, Debbie Whitworth, read out a statement regarding the communications between the various stakeholder groups and agencies. Effective governance relies on clear roles and mutual respect, and when any of the boundaries become blurred, it creates confusion and risks damaging relationships, she said. Debbie said she had learnt over the years that the various agencies need one clear line of communication with each parish council. It is therefore important that the agencies are contacted by, and respond to, the council as a whole, via either the mayor or the town clerk. They do not have time to liaise with multiple groups of people, she said.
David Chennells noted that a large number of proposals had been put forward by the working group, and the council owed it to them to go through each item, one by one, to give them the attention they deserve. He proposed bringing forward the date of the next Recs and Services meeting to do so.
Colin Rodden said he had created a questionnaire that he intended to be sent to residents living near the rec and wondered if it had been sent out? He said it was important to reach out to those residents.
Chris Shaw said he was concerned that OTC was ‘kicking the can down the road’ by suggesting that the full council send the proposals to Recs and Services, only to return to the full council. Surely OTC could have an initial reaction to the proposals; otherwise, what was the point of that night’s meeting, he asked?
As chair of the working group, Sarah Lowe said that councillors will have noted considerable tension in the papers delivered from the working group to full council and a key issue was the Terms of Reference, since the ToRs approved by the full council stated that the working group would need to consult others outside the group, such as Spartan Security, TVP, and many others. However, it appears that the mayor and town clerk have a different point of view; she said that although she had submitted several questions, she had not received answers. If the council do not support those ToRs, she needs to be told, she said, as she has been put in an impossible position.
Chris Shaw said he was under the impression that, as chair of the working group, Sarah did have permission to communicate directly with those agencies and all requests from the working group should go via her. Colin Rodden said he was specifically asked to submit his questionnaire direct to the office but did not receive a response.
Clerk Jane Brushwood reiterated that the agencies had emphasised the need for a single point of contact. Sarah said she had submitted several questions for TVP to the mayor on 14th June, on the understanding that a multi-agency meeting would be held the next day, but had not received a reply.
Debbie Whitworth replied that due to circumstances beyond her control, the meeting had been cancelled.
Colin Rodden said he had asked for previous minutes of working group meetings but had not received a response. Debbie said the clerk had spoken to two members of the working group, but then Colin had asked for the same information. There seemed to be a lack of communication within the group, thought the clerk. Sarah said the working group had asked to see a copy of the Spartan contract and all their incident reports, particularly their report from the May Bank Holiday. She later explained that the working group had developed an app which Spartan could use as a reporting mechanism for each visit to state what they’d seen, what they’d challenged, and what they’d reported to TVP. This could be used to compile a full set of stats to demonstrate their effectiveness.
A discussion took place about what Spartan are actually contracted to do in terms of attendance times and report submission. They do not have the authority to issue on-the-spot fines for violations of the PSPO, although they could with appropriate training and accreditation, which it appears they are not prepared to undertake.
Faye Carlisle asked what was in the original tender requirement when Spartan was selected, and Jane Brushwood replied that the tender process would have taken place under a previous council and had been in place for ‘donkey’s years’. Colin Rodden suggested that the working group should fully investigate the Spartan contract and requirements and then come back to full council with a set of recommendations. Chris Shaw expressed the opinion that any company that has had a contract for that length of time gets lazy and takes things for granted, so a retender should take place, even if it resulted in Spartan being re-employed.
Regarding the antisocial behaviour in the football stand, Sarah Lowe said there was no evidence of Spartan dealing with any issues during the hours that they are contracted to visit. Alan Stone observed that Spartan have no powers to move anyone on from the football stand, but only to report any antisocial behaviour to TVP. David Chennells thought that the suggestions put forward by the working group should be analysed line by line by the Recs and Services committee, but realistically many would be for implementation next year. In the meantime, there is nothing stopping residents donning a yellow tabard, patrolling the rec and reporting incidents to TVP themselves, he said. Jane Brushwood said she would not recommend this approach in the light of the abuse that volunteers had received in previous years. David said he was happy to withdraw the suggestion, but it proved that there was very little anyone could do other than talking to individuals and offering gentle persuasion. Colin Rodden thought that in the light of ‘The Cherry Tree’ incident, that some sort of action should be taken now. David replied that, with respect, it was impossible to pre-emptively stop people from breaking the law. It was an unfortunate situation, but even if 80 people congregated on the Market Place, the police could not arrest them all on the pretext that a fight might happen in two hours’ time.
The mayor eventually brought the discussion to a close and proposed that the Spartan contract be reviewed to see if they are currently meeting their contractual obligations, that their Sunday hours of attendance will be changed to 2pm to 10pm and an additional requirement for the current Spartan contract to be put out to tender for Summer 2027. This was passed unanimously.
The mayor then returned to David Chennells’ original proposition that the proposals from the working group that are not already in hand for this year be dealt with at an early reconvening of the Recs and Services committee. This was passed by a majority vote of 10 in favour and none against. When Rob Mungham, the deputy clerk, asked who wished to abstain, no one put their hand up. “That doesn’t add up, but that’s fine,” he commented. Mercury has noted that this has happened in the past and wonders why councillors not wishing to vote for or against a motion choose the ‘do nothing’ option rather than having the courage of their convictions and actively be seen to abstain. Perhaps they’re claiming the 5th Amendment?
Sarah Lowe then raised the subject of zero tolerance for disposable BBQs, prompting the clerk to ask how it could be enforced? David Chennells reminded members that there had been a government announcement that very day requesting that retailers cease selling disposable BBQs (which has subsequently been upgraded to a temporary outright ban).
Sarah Lowe wondered if there should be additional communication with residents, but clerk Jane Brushwood said that communication already happened via social media, Phonebox, and OTC noticeboards, but people still claim not to see it. She likened it to people saying they never see the police or parking enforcement officers, but figures prove that they do attend.
The mayor confirmed this by pointing out that a record number of 24 parking Penalty Charge Notices had been issued for the month of June, mainly around the rec. Sarah Lowe suggested quarterly engagement forums with residents where they could raise concerns, rather than the three-minute time limit at full OTC meetings or via social media. Four Town Meetings, suggested David Chennells?
Richard Hillier observed that the public Annual Town Meeting is supposed to fulfil this function but very few residents actually attend. The mayor suggested that the council have a stall at the Thursday and Sunday markets and those members that are able could be present to gather feedback from residents, which met with general approval and was passed on a unanimous vote.
Sarah Lowe proposed that ‘Danger’ notices be displayed by the river containing a QR code which would link to a site showing the latest river pollution results, which was also agreed.
The next meeting will be held on Monday 7th September at 7pm in the Olney Centre. If you would like to contribute to the Open Forum section at the start of the meeting, or any time the mayor deems appropriate, please contact the Town Clerk, townclerk@olneytowncouncil.gov.uk.